"AI is Changing Everything About How SEO Works" | Dale Bertrand of Fire and Spark

Tools and AI
SEO
Marketing
October 15, 2025

Fire&Spark founder Dale Bertrand explains zero-click search and why GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) changes how we win attention. He shares the shift from SEO’s performance focus to GEO’s brand-visibility advantage, plus concrete tactics to research longer, more complex queries using niche communities and real customer language.

Listen to this episode to learn how to adapt your content strategy for AI-driven search, reset traffic expectations, and build visibility where your buyers now look.

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