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In this episode, Brian Ondrako breaks down the real reason most people quit too early: the emotional plateau between “starting” and “seeing results.”

We cover Brian’s journey from years of avoiding the first episode to building a 400-episode archive, interviewing legends like Seth Godin and Jason Fried, and teaching founders how to sell with confidence, empathy, and presence.

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CONNECT WITH BRIAN

‍🌐 Website: https://brianondrako.com/

💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianondrako/

📰 Newsletter: https://salesskillsforfounders.beehiiv.com/

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CONNECT WITH ANDY

‍🌐 Website: https://www.mmgdesign.net/

💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mmgdesign/

📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mindfulmilligan/

TIMESTAMPS

‍00:00 — Intro

02:20 — The myth of “starting is hardest”

06:40 — Brian’s 3-year delay before episode one

12:00 — Comparing yourself to giants online

15:31 — Action creates mood

20:45 — The evolution of Brian’s hosting style

27:10 — Seth Godin on imposter syndrome

34:10 — The mindset of asking big guests

40:49 — Why founders struggle with sales

47:32 — The messy middle of entrepreneurship

56:30 — Where to find Brian online

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TEAM

‍🎙 Host // Andy Milligan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mmgdesign/

🎥 Production // MMG Design: https://www.mmgdesign.net/

🤝 Powered by // AMA Columbus: https://amacolumbus.org

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